Posted by [Nov] Shaman Quests: An Exercise in RNG Futility

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-02 01:09:08
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✪ Summary:

Shaman Piety is an extremely limited currency. Unlike almost every other quest in every Lioden event - potentially *every* other quest - Shaman Quests cannot be properly skipped without detriment to the player. Other quests allow you to skip a quest if it proves too hard. You pay an event beetle fee or SB to be given a new, random quest and you move on with life.

Not so with Shamans. If you skip a quest, you permanently lose a quest for the day. And if you get multiple quests you can't complete, well you're out of luck.

With the sheer amount of new encounters being added to the game constantly - both event and normal encounters - it continuously weighs the RNG odds of getting the correct encounter AGAINST the player. There is also a very incredibly obvious mechanic in place that makes certain encounters - if not all - harder to find if the quest seeking it is active.

After 6 or 7 energy bars, you should have found your quest encounter by now, but that's not the case. But after skipping the quest, miraculously, what you were looking for shows up.

Frankly, this is getting absurd.

✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Add a Scarab Beetle 're-roll quest' option instead of a total skip.
[+] DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.

I'm suggesting this amount be 10 Scarab Beetles. This month gives low currency drops and if you repeatedly get a quest you can't do, it'll be pricy, but at least you won't be locked out of quests entirely because it continues to ask you to look for that dumb cow or those humans you haven't seen even once since the event started.

You get 2-3 Piety per quest, and the big ticket Piety rewards for many players are Ancestral Markings. It takes thirty (30) to apply a single marking. That's 5-ish days worth of work assuming you can even complete every quest. If you can only complete 2, it stretches into 10 days.



Edit Log:
[ ADDED] 11/23/2020: DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.
Since there is an issue with multiple quests through the game already doing this, I'm politely requesting that if this change is implemented, it doesn't give players the same quest they skipped.

[UPDATE] 11/19/2022: LioDevs have added the following encounter as of November 2022:

However, despite it being added, some have reported rarely finding this encounter. It may not be sufficient.

Quote: "Huge support. I know they implemented the Ahihia encounter BUT I never encountered her even once in the entirety of November. At all. And I am a hardcore player, I roll every day and play for hours. So either the chance of getting the encounter is so low that it’s not even useful, or they messed up and didn’t implement it right. Either way, there DEFINITELY needs to be options for those quests bc it there were days in November where I went 12 hours of constant exploring and never got the one I needed" -via Chow.Hound (#162617)

I myself only encountered her once.
If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 562 supports and 5 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/12/22 @ 18:29:25 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

di (#126735)

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Posted on
2021-11-02 15:24:06
The RNG aspect of gaining piety is complete bullshit.

I swear to you... whenever I'm on a quest to defeat a certain lion, THEY. NEVER. SHOW. UP. I go through I don't even know how many energy bars. And the lion I need to defeat DOES NOT SHOW UP. AT ALL.

It honestly feels like it's done on purpose. The RNG sees you need to defeat a Tsavo Lion, so it purposefully makes them NEVER SHOW UP.

It is utterly infuriating.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-11-02 17:37:02
Thank you for the support, everyone. I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations.

We were told by admins that they did not adjust the chances to be lower when you need a quest, but this entire thread proves otherwise. This many people having the same issue is not a coincidence. We can predictably replicate the results. That's a pattern.

With any luck, we will get this option added this month. Next dev update is on the 12th, and while I recognize losing 12 days would hurt, late than never would be preferable. Please consider sharing this with friends and having them give their input. I'm not hopeful this will get noticed, but I'm not giving up.



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Viradechtis (#217315)


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2021-11-02 21:19:01
I've seen the Tsavo at least twenty times since the start of the event, but the Kalahari lion that I needed yesterday for the quest not at all. It's bs.



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miso (#167275)

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2021-11-03 09:39:21
Support. I find it hard to believe that it's just a coincidence that every time someone needs a certain lion to defeat in explore for a Shaman's quest, that lion suddenly, very magically, becomes nonexistent. I've come across this with herbs too, need to hand over x herb, and suddenly I don't find any herbs in explore. At all.

I honestly believe that RNG knows what you need to do for a quest and makes it so whatever you need to do in explore for said quest, becomes nonexistent. I've seen this happen with any past events that have the same mechanic.

They can say that's not the case all they want, but this is showing otherwise.



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Arkarvia (#239152)

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2021-11-03 17:23:12
Is piety even worth it, or should I just use energy on attacking event things for scarab beetles? Because throughout 3 days, I have only gotten one quest completed, and many energy bars gone to waste.



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Birds|Dawn Dros| (#118875)

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Posted on
2021-11-03 17:31:22
@Arkarvia- I have barely gotten piety and I honestly don’t bother because of the RNG. I haven’t even SEEN the encounters I’m supposed to yet lol. I think I’ve done 2-3 quests so far and that’s only because they were item quests, not encounters



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Arkarvia (#239152)

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2021-11-03 17:32:43
Oh, okay. Maybe I’ll focus more on Scarab Beetles than piety.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-11-03 18:04:48
@Arkarvia (#239152) :: I give non-herb quests a maximum of three bars before I skip. I grind levels and stats and it's just not worth it to waste much. I'd recommend doing herb quests if you can, and at least try the other quests, but don't waste a whole day on one. If it's your last quest, may as well try, however.



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Arkarvia (#239152)

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2021-11-03 18:06:53
Okay, thanks for the suggestion! I shall try that out!



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Trollsy[PFM] side (#126953)

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Posted on
2021-11-04 02:30:44
guys, stock up with some Hyena Butter. Not getting lioness claim ecounters every next step helps a bit.



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♛ SIX SIX SIX (#196736)

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Posted on
2021-11-04 06:57:33
Here I am again daydreaming over this, bc I have plans for this events NCL markings and I need piety a lot



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2021-11-04 14:21:02
Trollsy[PFM] 2G Blazing GSR (#126953) :: Thank you for the suggestion.



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🔥 Hyd (#236925)


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Posted on
2021-11-07 04:30:37
fully support. i think quest enemies/encounters dont show up ON PURPOSE. mods are making the quest artificially harder by doing that.
btw, a few days ago i got a sick antelope quest on my side. wasted an entire day. i did not find the antelope.



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Datrandomcat (#166891)

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Posted on
2021-11-08 00:14:23
Please could we do this? Idc how big the cost is, just let us take another quest without missing out like with every other event in LD

RNGJesus was actually on my side about up untill now and usually found the encounter within 1-3 energy bars, thankfully. But it's awfully obvious that there is something in place to prevent you from getting the needed encounter. One of my first quests was to find the wounded lioness and after a long search finally found her. Then, I kid you not, when I had a different quest, she popped up three times in a row, and about every tenth encounter was her I swear. But that would be fine if it wasn't so crucial to complete a quest.



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miso (#167275)

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2021-11-08 09:00:35
I've completely given up on the shaman quests. I feel like the RNG aspect makes it unfair and not fun. So I've stopped participating in them altogether. It sucks though. :(



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