Posted by [Nov] Shaman Quests: An Exercise in RNG Futility

[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2020-11-02 01:09:08
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✪ Summary:

Shaman Piety is an extremely limited currency. Unlike almost every other quest in every Lioden event - potentially *every* other quest - Shaman Quests cannot be properly skipped without detriment to the player. Other quests allow you to skip a quest if it proves too hard. You pay an event beetle fee or SB to be given a new, random quest and you move on with life.

Not so with Shamans. If you skip a quest, you permanently lose a quest for the day. And if you get multiple quests you can't complete, well you're out of luck.

With the sheer amount of new encounters being added to the game constantly - both event and normal encounters - it continuously weighs the RNG odds of getting the correct encounter AGAINST the player. There is also a very incredibly obvious mechanic in place that makes certain encounters - if not all - harder to find if the quest seeking it is active.

After 6 or 7 energy bars, you should have found your quest encounter by now, but that's not the case. But after skipping the quest, miraculously, what you were looking for shows up.

Frankly, this is getting absurd.

✪ What I Am Proposing:

[+] Add a Scarab Beetle 're-roll quest' option instead of a total skip.
[+] DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.

I'm suggesting this amount be 10 Scarab Beetles. This month gives low currency drops and if you repeatedly get a quest you can't do, it'll be pricy, but at least you won't be locked out of quests entirely because it continues to ask you to look for that dumb cow or those humans you haven't seen even once since the event started.

You get 2-3 Piety per quest, and the big ticket Piety rewards for many players are Ancestral Markings. It takes thirty (30) to apply a single marking. That's 5-ish days worth of work assuming you can even complete every quest. If you can only complete 2, it stretches into 10 days.



Edit Log:
[ ADDED] 11/23/2020: DO NOT give players the same quest they just skipped.
Since there is an issue with multiple quests through the game already doing this, I'm politely requesting that if this change is implemented, it doesn't give players the same quest they skipped.

[UPDATE] 11/19/2022: LioDevs have added the following encounter as of November 2022:

However, despite it being added, some have reported rarely finding this encounter. It may not be sufficient.

Quote: "Huge support. I know they implemented the Ahihia encounter BUT I never encountered her even once in the entirety of November. At all. And I am a hardcore player, I roll every day and play for hours. So either the chance of getting the encounter is so low that it’s not even useful, or they messed up and didn’t implement it right. Either way, there DEFINITELY needs to be options for those quests bc it there were days in November where I went 12 hours of constant exploring and never got the one I needed" -via Chow.Hound (#162617)

I myself only encountered her once.
If you don't support, I'd like to know why. I appreciate constructive criticism over a simple "no".



This suggestion has 562 supports and 5 NO supports.



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Edited on 06/12/22 @ 18:29:25 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2023-11-01 05:21:59
So it begins...
Quest- beat up Kalahari lion.
Well... Kalahari lions are extinct, because that damn Tsavo lion is killing them one by one!
How do I know it?
Because Tsavo lion is stalking me! I even encountered him three times in a row! On one energy bar 6 Tsavo lion encounters! That has to be a sign! He is tracking down players and kill their quest objectives before we can reach them!



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Posted on
2023-11-01 10:15:46
Supporting.

November is one of my favorite events but always proves to be an absolute shitshow when it comes to completing quests. I can see an encounter dozens of times while attempting to complete a different quest, but once I get assigned a quest for said encounter, I never see it again.

Because of how often this happens, part of me wholeheartedly believes that the chance of getting the encounter we need for each quest drops once the quest has been assigned. It’s ridiculous and incredibly annoying, and I can’t even imagine how frustrating it is for people who can’t roll/play every day.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-11-01 11:08:42
I'd love to believe them when we're told the rate doesn't drop, but at this point we have too much evidence to the contrary, across many players.



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TheCrazyGiraffeLady (#47268)

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Posted on
2023-11-02 09:29:55
Its getting more and more obvious that either RNG just hates players when that quest is rolled, or something is messed up in the code.
I can play 1 bar with no quests and find an event encounter every 2 moves, but start a quest and suddenly I'm lucky to find just the herb encounters, let along the encounter I actually need to pass the quest!
And I dont like skipping quests because thats then a waste of piety I could have earnt because the skipped quest counts towards the quests completed!
A proper reroll option for scarab beetles would be better, or even just fix the RNG issues so November is actually fun and not the senseless pointless grind it has become.



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[♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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2023-11-02 12:02:42
Genuinely just giving us a Scarab Beetle fee re-roll would be the best option IMO. I have no idea why they haven't. That I'm aware of, Piety Quests are the only quests that don't have re-roll. Which is not good because it's the only way to apply NCL marks and this RNG wonk can mess people's projects up.



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Edited on 02/11/23 @ 12:03:44 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

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Posted on
2023-11-02 14:24:58
It's been years since this post and very little has been done to help. Me, my friend and many in chat are fed up of wasting bars and bars of energy trying for 1 specific encounter for a quest, whilst your side account finds that encounter constantly. It's very obvious when the quest is given it seems rigged to avoid giving this encounter (kinda feels like mockery XD). I just don't understand why this is a thing, or if it's unintentional why it hasn't been fixed.
Adding Ahihia barely helps at all. It's yet another encounter in the pool with equally low chance of showing up as the actual encounter you need.
I may be getting immature and pointlessly frustrated over a game but it makes this event so boring and annoying. Piety isn't the shop currency, but it is the milestones and the only source of NCL marks. So why is the whole focus of this months event so hard to even participate in?
Furthermore, Piety is needed to open the shop, literally the rest of the event, yet for some reason the game is against allowing us to access the event and shops just... because? So the quests aren't too easy? There are already 3 to do in a day, and a variety of them to do in an already busy encounter pool, so I don't see why the RNG is so heavily against the players.


Rant over lol, sorry
As a solution I think either make the quest encounter more likely to happen than it is now, or allow us to reroll the quest without missing out entirely. I understand they might've been reduced to balance the game so tiers aren't unlocked too fast, but the frustration I've seen it cause so far just isn't worth it, decrease the piety or increase the milestones to unlock tiers if that's the case.



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2023-11-02 14:39:50
After the October grind I'm pretty worn out & only wanted to spend 1-2 hours a day on LD for piety and other little things, but the quests make such relaxation from gameplay feel far out of reach. Each time I take a quest that has to do with explore, I can use countless energy bars without seeing the required encounter. Once I skip the quest, however, it.. turns up. Lost piety & time to what would appear to be skewed RNG odds.

I adore the November event theme, but even such a 'laid back' month makes me feel as though its just as grindy as the rest of them if you want to get, say, a nice marking, or even just a few base applicators.

Not missing out on piety & getting a quest reroll would be great. I know I don't need to play LD, but I like the game - just not when something is up with the encounters (and when piety, a very limited currency, is so insanely difficult to get sometimes, with no quest reroll..). I was going to try and aim for a few nice markings on my king, but at this point I only expect to achieve 1 or 2.



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Edited on 02/11/23 @ 14:41:12 by frosty ★ (#229018)

AlexCorvid[mcdonalds
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Posted on
2023-11-03 16:13:22
Agreed, it's WAY too hard to finish the quests, like... Insanely so



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Verlain [BO Dawn, G2
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Posted on
2023-11-03 17:48:06
I would like to be able to shovel herbs into the shamans' mouths to bribe them to consider their quest completed plz



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Posted on
2023-11-03 18:26:15
Can confirm- Ahihia is real! I've been playing all day today, and only got one quest done because I found her and paid 100SB. Then, next energy bar I immediately found the Transvaal lion I needed all day. Definitely something going on here



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Posted on
2023-11-03 20:16:42
It's a big problem and something needs done.



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Chow.Hound (#162628)

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Posted on
2023-11-05 10:02:23
I don't want to jinx it, but I've been having a suspiciously easy time with my quests so far this month. I've been able to get them all done relatively quickly, I only struggled with finding Katanga for a bit today but I still got him within a few energy bars. I still have one quest to do today so we'll see how that goes lmao

Scared for when my luck reverts and I have to spend 12 hours finding the right encounter again like last year

Edit: just encountered the Ahihia skip encounter for the first time EVER since it was introduced



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Edited on 05/11/23 @ 14:33:48 by Chow.Hound (side) (#162628)

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Posted on
2023-11-05 19:11:36
This is a constant issue with any event with quests.
They 100% change the RNG rate depending on which quest you get and honestly it is getting ridiculous with how blatant it is.

They cannot claim that RNG does not change depending on the quests but how come I can fight 5+ Tsavo lions in 1 energy bar and then when the next quest is to kill him, I get 0 Tsavo lions in 3 energy bars.

They need to admit this happens or change it where you have bad luck cover on the quests where every step raises the chance of getting your quest item/event by say .25% or something.



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2023-11-05 19:22:14
I agree frankly. I've spent more time on the site today than I usually do. I got the first quest on both accounts reasonably, but I can't find the cow, and I can't find the Kalahari lion. Its not supposed to be this freakin hard, so why am I spending so long on this?



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Edited on 05/11/23 @ 19:23:17 by AlextheLocalcorvid (#322877)

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Posted on
2023-11-06 05:09:57
HEAVY SUPPORT.

Throughout all the events, it's incredibly obvious that "RNG" is stacked against the player for what i assume to be an artificial increase in playtime. Despite what i think about such tactics, it doesn't matter. The fact is, RNG isn't random at all and it's always working against you. And, to me at least, it's never felt as obvious as during the november event.

I vividly remember the last time i played this event and how frustrated and, honestly, quite mad i was at lioden and it's devs for making what is supposed to be a fun event into a scuffed experience. I have this massive project where i am trying to add all cherry marks onto a single lion, and this requires me to have 240 PIETY. I am insanely lucky that this lion already has a couple, because i genuinely have no idea how i'm supposed to be getting any more than that. Sure, this is very doable, especially with two accounts, but i should NOT have to be spending 10 energy bars trying to find a single encounter (encounter that i might miss after clicking mindlessly through other useless november encounters might i add.).

I know lioden can be a bit grindy at times, but this event feels ridiculously hard, and for no good reasons.

Either stop with the clearly tampered-with RNG, or give us a quest skipping/swapping option like @Nadir said. This would make the event actually enjoyable for many people, myself included.


EDIT = I'm only realizing now this thread is 3 years old. 3 whole years and such a massive problem is still present. I'm baffled.



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Edited on 06/11/23 @ 05:11:09 by Mercy ♥ G2 Cherry Uneven (#237163)







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