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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 18:23:03
[ Support My Other Suggestions? ]

Revisiting Grandpaws
Fixing 99999 SB Branch Listing Spam
Making Sub Males More Useful
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Summary:

This suggestion is going to be kept relatively simple. There are some exploitable loopholes in the writing and enforcement of ToS and CoC which I am seeking to get patched. Myself and a number of other veterans have had conversations about these topics on and off for months, but it's been an issue for a very long time.

Additionally, since the only argument against enforcing display names to be void of stud advertisements that I have seen is that it "helps locate studs", I have created this suggestion for users to provide customizable, searchable keywords for their studs and lions in their bios.

Link to "Searchable Stud & Lion Keywords in Bio" Suggestion


What I Am Proposing

I am proposing the following changes:

Point 1: Re-Define & Enforce Begging Rules

Veiled Begging Still Constitutes Begging
Veiled begging or indirect begging is defined as follows: Open mentions which specifically state user goals and an exact amount that is needed, lamenting not having a specific item or lion, stating exact amounts needed to retrieve lost lions, etc.

Just because a user doesn't specifically use a variation of the phrase "Can I have x thing?" does not mean they are not begging.

Lioden users have learned they can use the variations of the following phrases to exploit a loophole in the rules and still receive the items they want:

"All of my lions just ran and now I need to somehow make 3200 SB."
"I just realized I don't have an IBF feather for my Dwarf's heat!! I need to find 2 GB quickly!"
"All of my lions are going to run tomorrow and I don't have any food!"
"I'm 5 GB away from being able to retire my king early!"

All of the above phrases are veiled begging frequently employed by users to ask for free assets without directly asking. Many veterans on this site know what users are doing, and many of us are getting frustrated that mods knowingly turn a blind eye to what the rest of us know is purposeful veiled begging.

SOLUTION:
Update policy on begging to prohibit behaviour which may be used to directly or indirectly ask for game resources.


Point 2: Re-Define & Enforce Display Name Conduct

Stud Advertisements.
Users are repeatedly warned for advertising studs in general, alluding to studs, linking to studs, and so forth. I think it's time we recognize that display names count toward that.

There is an obvious intent when a user sets their display as: Jane Doe: G1|x6Ros|Ferus

Every time the user talks in main chat, they are advertising their lion up for stud.
See: Link to "Searchable Stud & Lion Keywords in Bio" Suggestion

Asset Begging
Some users have GB goals in their display names, for example: John Doe[1/15 GB Goal!]
Goals should be on user dens, not in display names.

Event Begging
And December especially sees a rise in this: Doe Doe: GIFT ME!!
Preferences should be on user dens, not in display names.

This constitutes begging, even if it utilizes an indirect method of doing so.

SOLUTION:
Update policy on advertisements to prohibit advertisements of any kind in display names.



This suggestion has 85 supports and 47 NO supports.



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Edited on 14/06/23 @ 13:44:37 by [♰] Yharnam (#112370)

harvey (#350256)

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Posted on
2023-05-25 18:39:25
Support, but I also feel like under stud advertisement: “stud or dud,” with a link to someone’s current king might also count as stud ads.

Edit real quick: stud or dud also feels more like a forum game, which is also frowned upon in chat. Asking for design opinions for lionesses, heirs, or ideas in wardrobe seems fine though.



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Edited on 25/05/23 @ 18:40:59 by Harv 🦌 (#350256)

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2023-05-25 18:42:05
I support except the username thing. I usually put mine up like this so lazy massbreeders can see what gen my king is in stud search x) And I find it very useful like this as well, I don't pay attention to that detail in general but I do in stud searches



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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Posted on
2023-05-25 18:42:43
Harv 🦌 (#350256) :: I wholly agree that playing 'stud or dud' in main chat isn't appropriate. If we're going to disallow advertising active studs, it needs to be equally enforced across the board.

👾 KitPixel | G2 Tobiano 👾 (#259817) :: I know that a lot of users are going to disagree, but put plainly, it IS advertising, plain and simple. It's something that helps you get studs.



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Edited on 25/05/23 @ 18:43:53 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 18:43:42
Stud or dud could be used for heirs, instead of actual kings. So ppl could get a feedback on their heir to see if they are in the right path



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 18:44:21
Right, being used for heir design is a good idea. Less so with active lions.



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Posted on
2023-05-25 18:44:39
I agree!



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Terrinthia [G1] (#97101)

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2023-05-25 19:08:09
I never really thought about stud traits in one's name to be an ad, but I suppose you're right. I don't think every ad is a bad thing, though? My own intent regarding my name is convenience. I think names can be a good way to narrow down a search while looking for studs. If a player is looking for a high stat low-gen stud, having to manually look at EVERY stud that shows up with over 5000 stats would be extremely tedious. I guess that means I might get more stud requests as a result, but I just like things being easier to find for people. I wish it didn't take so long to look for ideal studs on mobile as it is.

And I don't really think "Poop me" or "gift me" in December is necessarily an advertisement? I more-so see it as stating their preference of what to receive during the event, in the case of some players being unsure of which one to choose. I typically choose poops for other users since I think event currency is good, but I avoid it if their den page or name says they don't really want it. I don't want the gift opening to disappoint them. ^^;

As far as asset and veiled begging go - yes, definitely agree with those points. Hard to tell in certain situations, though, at least for me. So I can kind of understand why mods are typically more lenient with it.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 19:25:50
Terrinthia [G1 Dappled 2.8k] (#97101) :: A better solution which would benefit players of all sorts - including those like me who use display names as names not ads - is to add "Max # of Inbreeding Instances" to search in both Trading Center and Stud Search.

Not only would it benefit clean breeders seeking studs, but help us when purchasing lions so we don't have to rely on generation markers and keywords being included in the listing.

If you'd like, I can also draft that suggestion up.



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Terrinthia [G1] (#97101)

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2023-05-25 19:35:54
I think mods have stated they won't add an official way to filter out inbred kings, and I kind of have to agree with it. 0: There are probably plenty of players who don't care about dirty vs clean when searching for studs. Clicking through heritage would be an extra bit of work they'd rather not do. That's how I played a few years ago. But if they only had to click a box? The market for dirty lions would go down even more than it already is.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 19:39:47
Terrinthia [G1 Dappled 2.8k] (#97101) :: If it's only a bit of extra work, then I feel like it's not so much effort we need it in display names. After all, if it could benefit users that those who don't want the extra effort just stud to a dirty king because they're pretty, then that's a boon to the dirty market.

To clarify, both my kings are G1 and I do clean, low-gen breeding. This would affect me also, and I'd adapt.

Regardless, that suggestion is here: https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429508829



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Terrinthia [G1] (#97101)

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2023-05-25 19:54:49
I'm just. so lazy haha. :p I get busy during the day, then I neglect things at night. So I kind of have to rush through chasing aged up cubs, feeding all my lions, and finding studs throughout an hour in the morning. Some days it's easy with little to few lions in heat, and other days I have a MASSIVE load of em on my project account. Half those lions are related to my stud, so I have to go searching. And I really, really enjoy the convenience of seeing "G1" or "G3" right on the same page, since it takes a while for mobile to load each king individually. And "2xRos" or "RLC" or "MS" narrows it down to several nice bonus traits that I like but didn't search for.

Sorry, my replies get denser as we go. x)



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 20:00:02
Trust me, I understand. I barely have time to grind my stat king and also complete this challenge. When this account was the ONLY active Dhahabi king, I had to dig for studs every day.

I think that pushing for better search filters in general is what we need, rather than letting users utilize loopholes. I would actually support a 'keyword' section that users can fill out in King and Lion biographies that allows users to search for certain keywords like exactly what you're mentioning.

The primary reason that I'm making this suggestion isn't to make things harder on people. It's because some users have been using these loopholes for self-gain for a while. And while display names are not more egregious than the veiled begging issue - which is a daily, many times a day occurance - it does prove that you can bypass advertisement rules and get away with it.

And this is not even getting into how many sexually explicit or suggestive names I have been seeing crop up in main chat. Display name conduct enforcement just needs tightened up as a whole.



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Edited on 25/05/23 @ 20:01:39 by [△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 20:04:39
OMG I'm guilty for this xD my side's name is Connie Lingus (previously Tess Tickles) but I did it with no bad intentions it was only for shits and giggles



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peepy (#48100)

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Posted on
2023-05-25 20:16:09
I agree with everything you brought up. Also, very superficially, it's such an eyesore seeing people with long as hell usernames in chat.



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-05-25 20:16:42
👾 KitPixel | G2 Tobiano 👾 (#259817) :: I figure there's no bad intentions and I'm not going to judge you and claim there are, of course. It's just sort of one of a numbered list of where display names have been permitted to skirt the rules.



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