Posted by Enable Double Markings Again [1200+ Support]

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2017-10-13 11:20:15

Enable Double Markings When Breeding Parents (Or One Parent) That Have(/Has) The Same Marking In Separate Slots, Again.



This was briefly, although windedly, mentioned in another thread I made.

In the thread I touch on and give examples as to how there was once a time where if you had two markings of the same color in separate slots they could pass to the children. While everyone accepted this as the normal. and for a lot of people it became a massive breeding project, it was recently revealed that it was supposed a bug in the coding.

However, I think the way it worked was just fine. My suggestion is to "Bring this bug back", but in a sense that it would not longer be a bug. Abbeys post says they have some coding that prevents this, and for some reason it just wasn't working for... years. My suggestion is to remove that block and let it be a non-bug possibility.

In my thread a lot of people tried debating this, and boy was it a headache, but I assume it will happen here too. I'm going to add some things below to hopefully ease the amount of debate.

1. This type of breeding is not as easy as you would think it to be, as it takes two free slots of the same marking (in separate slots).

2. This type of breeding is not hard to avoid. The with vs. the without is very unfair. With the 'fixed' system you just cannot breed more than a double (and that takes two grawrocks, which means if the dad has double he can't pass even that). Gnawrocks cost 15Gb+ each. And then its useless because you can't replicate the markings without the gnawrocks again (resee king with double marks). To avoid this breeding you merely have to glimpse at the markings on a stud vs a lioness. If you don't pay attention and miraculously you get a double, and its in a slot you need, you just need to use a marking removal. that's 1Gb vs 30Gb+.

3. This suggestion is about the freedom of breeding (ThisWasGood). When this 'bug' was present no one was complaining. If they were, the staff would have caught the issue much sooner instead of it persisting until they just happened to fix it by implementing a new system. No one forces you to breed double marking/color lions, but this fixed system forced anyone with a project like this to stop. Lots of people have lost so much money. Some have even lost all drive to play the game for the breeding part (Ie: they just gather and sell items or currency and have minimal or no lions).

Some notable links that I thought were good from the other thread;
From Cin: "What you enjoy vs. what others enjoy" & "The difference in stacked markings"
From Ningoat: "Re: You enjoy vs others enjoy"
From E-quagga: "Mutations vs Markings"
There are more, if you care to browse the thread linked in the first sentence.

Here are some examples, from the thread, of people who's projects have been ruined;
Lex's Cream & 2x Onyx Rosette Project
Typh's 2x Onyx, Gold, Mottled Rosette Project
Maiq's 2x Clay Panther Project
Sabryn's 2x (and later 3x) F7G Project
Arctos' Multi-Celestial Speckles Project
Sasa Had a Double Onyx Margay Project



I would like to clarify, to quote Abbey; "If you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue." Just because it was a bug at one time, does not mean it cannot become a real, non-bug, game feature.

Sasa's thread (no longer bumped)




This suggestion has 1257 supports and 127 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/02/23 @ 16:29:08 by Heda Vampiric (#56702)

πŸš‘Tabs *DHS* (#31558)


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Posted on
2018-02-07 00:00:14
100% support this. I loved the way some of the double markings would enhance the look over all.



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Seiden πŸ‘‘ (#31516)

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2018-03-03 07:51:22
Ok this is were I was actually meant to post.

Sans_titre_5.jpg

This girl was one of my faves, and my goal was to get, from her, a cub that would have as much "spotting heavy" marks as I could achieve. The stacked spotting heavy markings looks so cool.
I don't even see why this would not be possible anymore?

Many markings looks different when stacked. And when you really like a marking, you might want your breeders to have more of it for more chances to pass it to cubs.

As it was said on the previous topic, you can hardly get twice the same marking if you're not actively looking for it, then I see no reason to forbid the passing of double markings.



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Teafox (#42483)

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Posted on
2018-03-03 12:49:29
Support.

I don't understand why it was even a 'bug' in the first place. Why would the staff have not wanted to allow double marked cubs in the first place? There is no real argument against this aside from the people saying "but *I* don't want this".



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Firestar102πŸ”₯ (#79468)

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2018-03-03 15:50:31
oh yes please! i might actually get to have projects about more than just bases and how close i can get each lion in my pride to look like each other



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Black Rhinoceros (#68593)

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2018-05-29 04:21:12
Pretty please? Honestly I've given up on my project, but I'd really like to see this brought back. 100% support; I remember how excited I was, as a newbie, to accidentally get a double Gold Brindle. Agryo makes a very good point!

"That being said; if you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue."

I would like to add a clarification that someone had an issue with in the last thread - the double markings being able to roll would not be able to ruin your chances of getting a breed only mark you wanted. I would love if this was brought back! Basically, with the random four applicators there are lots of people who get double markings.



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Drakel [Ebony Boyo] (#12615)

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2018-05-31 20:24:20
So so so much support. My boy on my other account has Onyx Tips x3 that I specifically gave to him (I saved for months to be able to customize him and man the stacked darkness just looks so good.) I've realized that I can never breed a 'replacement' him with new marks and also get the stacked Onyx Tips and it's deeply saddening. No matter what I can never ever get x3 of the same mark under the new system.

Edited to add: If the system stays and double marks cannot be bred, then I feel like the system also shouldn't allow repeated marks in other ways. Ie. if I tried to re-customize my king, it wouldn't allow me to give him the same mark twice. If someone used any of the marking applicators, it wouldn't give any marks the lion already has.



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Edited on 01/06/18 @ 10:16:40 by Drakel (#12615)

Crossflare (#56335)

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Posted on
2018-06-15 17:30:05
I previously didn't support this but I do now I'm thinking it won't devalue anything if they perhaps integrate it so that double marks is not something that happens very often. At the very least if it was something that was implemented to happen occasionally I'd welcome so I'm supporting this.



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Kich (#2373)


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2018-07-29 23:13:56
You know.. I would really love to breed lions with white underfelt on both #1 and #10 slots. :| Pretty please?



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Posted on
2018-08-12 17:28:33
Support because I have some beautiful Vits and Siamese girls in the past this way.



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Sasa [πŸ…] (#30698)

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2018-09-26 18:18:01
My old topic Can you slap this in your post? I don't bump it anymore, but I think it would help with reasoning to re-enable it. :)

My double Onyx Margay breeding project failed because of this. :/ Margay is a light mark, and to make it pop out it needs to be stacked.



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kittenlily 🐈 (#50738)

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Posted on
2018-09-26 18:19:24
it's been almost a year since this was posted :( ... let's make it happen!



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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Posted on
2018-09-26 18:26:52

Can do Sasa, sorry I never saw the thread before x-x




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Sasa [πŸ…] (#30698)

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2018-10-01 17:26:12
No problem haha. I meant more so you add the points of view as examples, not so much as "you stole my idea!" xD.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2018-10-01 17:29:04

Ah nah I didn't figure you were accusing me. And all the more view points and supporters the better. This has been running for almost a year now. Hopefully we get somewhere.




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Skully 2.0 (#49306)

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Posted on
2018-10-14 14:41:45
When I first joined I /really/ loved the look for triple cele specks on the celestial base and spent some time trying to breed a heir like that. Had to give it up after the change and i'm still sad about it. ;w;



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