Posted by Enable Double Markings Again [1200+ Support]

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2017-10-13 11:20:15

Enable Double Markings When Breeding Parents (Or One Parent) That Have(/Has) The Same Marking In Separate Slots, Again.



This was briefly, although windedly, mentioned in another thread I made.

In the thread I touch on and give examples as to how there was once a time where if you had two markings of the same color in separate slots they could pass to the children. While everyone accepted this as the normal. and for a lot of people it became a massive breeding project, it was recently revealed that it was supposed a bug in the coding.

However, I think the way it worked was just fine. My suggestion is to "Bring this bug back", but in a sense that it would not longer be a bug. Abbeys post says they have some coding that prevents this, and for some reason it just wasn't working for... years. My suggestion is to remove that block and let it be a non-bug possibility.

In my thread a lot of people tried debating this, and boy was it a headache, but I assume it will happen here too. I'm going to add some things below to hopefully ease the amount of debate.

1. This type of breeding is not as easy as you would think it to be, as it takes two free slots of the same marking (in separate slots).

2. This type of breeding is not hard to avoid. The with vs. the without is very unfair. With the 'fixed' system you just cannot breed more than a double (and that takes two grawrocks, which means if the dad has double he can't pass even that). Gnawrocks cost 15Gb+ each. And then its useless because you can't replicate the markings without the gnawrocks again (resee king with double marks). To avoid this breeding you merely have to glimpse at the markings on a stud vs a lioness. If you don't pay attention and miraculously you get a double, and its in a slot you need, you just need to use a marking removal. that's 1Gb vs 30Gb+.

3. This suggestion is about the freedom of breeding (ThisWasGood). When this 'bug' was present no one was complaining. If they were, the staff would have caught the issue much sooner instead of it persisting until they just happened to fix it by implementing a new system. No one forces you to breed double marking/color lions, but this fixed system forced anyone with a project like this to stop. Lots of people have lost so much money. Some have even lost all drive to play the game for the breeding part (Ie: they just gather and sell items or currency and have minimal or no lions).

Some notable links that I thought were good from the other thread;
From Cin: "What you enjoy vs. what others enjoy" & "The difference in stacked markings"
From Ningoat: "Re: You enjoy vs others enjoy"
From E-quagga: "Mutations vs Markings"
There are more, if you care to browse the thread linked in the first sentence.

Here are some examples, from the thread, of people who's projects have been ruined;
Lex's Cream & 2x Onyx Rosette Project
Typh's 2x Onyx, Gold, Mottled Rosette Project
Maiq's 2x Clay Panther Project
Sabryn's 2x (and later 3x) F7G Project
Arctos' Multi-Celestial Speckles Project
Sasa Had a Double Onyx Margay Project



I would like to clarify, to quote Abbey; "If you want it reverted back to the old system, we're more than willing to review it again if a suggestion topic can get support specifically about the duplicate markings issue." Just because it was a bug at one time, does not mean it cannot become a real, non-bug, game feature.

Sasa's thread (no longer bumped)




This suggestion has 1257 supports and 127 NO supports.



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Edited on 04/02/23 @ 16:29:08 by Heda Vampiric (#56702)

FlameHeart (#233839)

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2023-02-04 14:43:13
Sorry, not supporting. Tbh I find it a bit redundant. The marking will show up the same regardless.

Also, won't this affect the market value lions with BO and tier 3 and 4 markings?



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Edited on 04/02/23 @ 14:45:32 by FlameHeart (#233839)

Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2023-02-04 15:46:01
The marking will not show up the same. It will show up “doubled”. Markings are not made with a solid line brush. They’re blended, they have edges, they have opacity. Stacking markings strengthens the markings look past the 100% a single marking allows. Look at a lion in wardrobe with Noctis margay once vs that lion with Noctis margay 3-4 times. It’s stronger. Now some people might not like how that looks, but that’s subjective and people should be allowed to have it if that’s what they want since if you don’t want it you simply don’t have to breed it. Also, a friendly reminder that you can get markings in more than one slot on accident via apps - as Typhon just mentioned getting the same marking from RMAs. That’s the true redundancy because you can’t even pass them on. I don’t mean to seem like I’m coming out of the gate swinging, but this comes off as extremely ignorant of the situation.

I’m not sure what you mean by your edited in comment about the value of lions as this suggestion would just make it so people can pass on a marking twice when the parents have it compared to cubs having either one of the slots or the other.



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Myr [frozen -
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2023-02-04 15:51:48
Arguably this would help increase some lion values, rather than the opposite.

Any lion which has duplicated markings - whether from the 1in4 apps from events, or from RMAs etc - would have more flexibility if it were possible for them to pass the marking on in both slots. In the case of kings with expensive/rare markings doubled due to RMA luck then that would certainly increase their usefulness and therefore their value for most breeders.

I don't see that this change would have any negative effect on values, personally



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FlameHeart (#233839)

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Posted on
2023-02-04 15:54:04
Changed to support!



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spots (#98320)

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Posted on
2023-02-11 17:43:39
I still want this.



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Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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Posted on
2023-02-26 09:41:24
would support but i can't read the font at all



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Asteria | She/They | (#239069)

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2023-02-26 09:57:58
Honestly disappointed that this post was made in 2017, that was five years ago, and the feature still has not been re-implemented. By October of this year, it'll have been six years of the player base asking for a feature that we used to have be added back.

I was never around for the double marking breeding, but seeing how many people over the years have talked about their breeding projects being ruined, or their stud values going down, or quite simply being disappointed with the lack of communication is disheartening. Bring back the ability to breed double markings, please.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2023-02-26 11:28:09
There was actually a poll about this… I do not remember when. I would have to look into it. But I don’t think it was too long ago. Maybe within the last year? Anyway it was a poll with minimal information and no link to this thread, but the user base votes were too evenly split so they decided to do nothing. In my opinion, this was a very unfair poll, and I would have appreciated a more open discussion. But they’ve let this thread stay up, so hopefully one day we might get them back.

Edit; I’m not sure why the font is not legible to you Rufus, unless you have an extension or something in your browser. It’s Times New Roman; a standard and legible font.



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Edited on 26/02/23 @ 11:30:06 by Heda Vampiric (#56702)

Ricky [Git gud lol] (#177615)

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2023-02-26 11:41:25
Oh yeah I can't read times New Roman, got some issues with it eyesight wise.

I'll have to copy paste everything onto a doc to read it in a bit, but I'm a bit busy rn lol



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2023-02-26 11:54:09
Ohhhh I see. My apologies for the inconvenience.



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Myr [frozen -
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2023-02-26 12:15:55
Unfortunately I think the poll on this a little while back had exactly the same issue a lot of site-wide polls from news posts do - people vote hastily based on very little information and without knowing the context or longterm implications. It's just the nature of those polls, especially because typically very little extra info or links is given, and people are just clicking through quickly from the news. Votes on polls usually skew very differently to votes on forum suggestions, which is a dead giveaway imo. Suggestions obviously get less engagement overall because you more or less have to go looking for them, but then by definition the people who do vote tend to have given it a lot more thought. Which is why it doesn't really make sense to me to leave complex issues to be decided in polls tbh, because the nuance just isn't there at all :(

With the poll on this in particular, I know from chat comments at the time that a lot of people were definitely confused by the whole double/duplicate marking issue. Many didn't understood that there could be any potential advantages, or that doubles could be easily avoided if unwanted - just by making different breeding choices. People were just reacting in a 'hell no I don't want my lions to get random duplicates and lose value' kind of way, which was sort of inevitable in that situation.

I really hope given the continued popularity and support on this post that maybe the issue will be revisited in future...



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Ladwick (#12065)


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Posted on
2023-02-28 03:16:33
I think I remember this bug, I miss it. Support!



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Talmoi (#16689)

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Posted on
2023-02-28 03:23:09
The thing that annoys me the most about this not being re-enabled is while it was possible for years no one complained about it, it was never an issue. So i think it could have been quickly re-enabled and we all could have moved on with our projects. All these years later and I’m still waiting in hope, bumping the heck out of this thread

Also I went looking for the poll, it’s currently on page 15. There are soo many forgotten polls, things that won and never changed.



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Heda Vampiric (#56702)

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2023-02-28 04:35:57
Thanks so much for finding the poll!



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[△] Nadir (#108458)

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2023-03-04 14:17:42
It breaks my heart that this thread hasn't been addressed yet despite them putting it to poll and winning. I'm beginning to wonder if we're ever going to see badly desired changes again.



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